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Submitted: Jun 27, 2008 Reads: 118 Comments: 18 Likes: 14
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Wonderful piece, sensitively written. I hope everyone reads it. Disillusionment can be caused by many things, the frustration of the internet is that you cannot truthfully discuss your feelings. The writer identified in your piece *disillusioned* was plagued by irrelevant
pests who were only interested in popularism and he reacted badly. As he still loves all those he left behind this is a sad outcome. But your writing is still tops.
Posted: Jun 27, 2008
I feel exactly the same way Anna Therese. You said it very well, and I agree with you whole-heartedly. Thank you for writing this piece. WELL SAID!! I have always treated those on-line as if they were in my real world. I still do.....I care about people, and yes, there are those bad eggs out there. I've just learned to recognize them as well. Am who I am here on-line, and I am the same in the real world. No pretense......I come here for healing in a sense, and getting out some past memories in which can put things in perspective for me. Also, I love writing, and never shared before with anyone. Have wondered if my writings were good or not. Plus the fact, from all the hurt and pain I have experienced the last 10yrs of my life has really damaged my self-worth/confidence level. This has really helped me a great deal. Booksie fans have helped me alot. Even if the comments are to improve my writing, I welcome them. I thank you for being one of the first booksie fans to comment on my writings. You really helped me get started, and for that? I'm greatful to you, and really appreciate your warmth, and kindness. When I first started reading your comments, there was such a warmth that came over me, and I liked feeling it. Thank you again Anna Therese.........your a favorite!
A beautiful person inside and out!!
Posted: Jun 27, 2008
Oh yes, when I said "Even if the comments are to improve my writing, I welcome them." I meant I love all the comments, and when someone does comment or give me feedback in improving my writing I welcome it totally!
That sentence didn't come out so well.....LOL!! I wanted to correct it.
Posted: Jun 27, 2008
Anna this was a fantastic article. I agree with every word and I'm glad you wrote about this because I think its something that everyone should read. Booksie is indeed a friendly place and we can make it more so by spreading the love and respect towards others.
A wonderful article! :)
Posted: Jun 27, 2008
The biggest difference between speaking to someone online and in real life is that you can't see the person you're talking to, meaning you can't judge physical appearance, you don't see their ethnicity, and sometimes you aren't even sure of their gender. And secondly, when you publish something on the internet, the entire world may read it. Offending someone with something is almost always happening, but much of the time the offended knows that the reader did not mean to do so.
Being insulted online is just as emotionally hurtful as being insulted in real life. To insult someone online is even better than insulting someone in real life because the insulter is shrouded in the aforementioned cloud of anonymity. I believe that's why people see a lot of rude people online.
And finally, I don't believe there can be a universal set of decorum that everyone can follow in the e-world. People on the internet are from opposite corners of the world and completely different cultures, and what is perfectly reasonable in one can be immensely offensive in another. I deal with this by constantly setting my lines carefully and gently stepping around the sore areas. It's always a process of learning, and one of the reasons I enjoy the e-world is because of how many different kinds of people with so many different kinds of experiences and backgrounds I can meet here.
With that said, I believe this was a superbly written article, and yes, to quote "sensitively written." I enjoyed reading it. I really enjoyed your transitions from one topic to another, it was seamlessly done and worked well.
Now, on the more technical side, I thought the ending was a little less effective than what it could have been due to the rhetorical questions. You seem to hold a fairly strong opinion so I think instead of throwing a question out there for the audience, I think you should just have one transition sentence and just start saying exactly what you believe. I think this would impact the reader a little bit more.
There you go on the "improvements and suggestions" thing from the comments lol, I really enjoyed the article and the points you brought up. I have often thought about this as well.
Good work! And keep it up.
Posted: Jun 27, 2008
An excellent article Anna Therese. Words are powerful things. What you say and how you say it does matter. The right words at the right time . . . can change lives. Needless to say, I've made an impression on you, dear lady. Keep writing. :)
Posted: Jun 27, 2008
Excellent and well written article, Anna!! Should be required reading for the entire Booksie membership!!
Words of criticism can be very hurtful and discouraging, especially those that come from people that seem to be quite impressed with themselves and their own writing! I think they feel if they can tell you how much better your piece would be if you "did this or changed that" that it raises their level of importance and talent as a writer. This is not to say that constructive criticism is not good but if you have "nothing nice to say at all" PLEASE... don't bother to say anything!
One of the things that bothers me about the current Booksie is that if you don't leave messages about your new posting on home pages of fellow writers, your work doesn't get read at all. So many of the newer members in the last three months want their work to get read but they do not do any commenting themselves. I don't like that feeling of 'self-promotion' in myself or others. There have been instances where I have deliberately NOT read a persons poem or story because it sounded like they were 'begging for notoriaty' from me.
Thanks for writing such an enlightening, truthful and thought-provoking article, Anna! Wonderful job!!
Peace.....Jerry
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
That was a superbly written, and needed, article. I enjoyed it very much. You certainly hit the provebial nail. I agree with Jerry that it should be a required read, somewhere around the section of-I agree with these terms.
Although a Pandora's Box, the Internet can be a wonderful thing. It is disheartening that people will use the Internet to hurt others, but as you said, like in real life, there are bad apples.
As far as critism goes, I welcome it. That is how In hone my writing skill, constructive critism is the Tools of our Trade. We are not perfect. We should all be striving for progress.
I will certainly be reading your other works and comment when I feel it will be helpful.
Thank you for sharing and keep writing.
Ted
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
Wow, this has to be one of the best articles I've read on here so far. Unfortunately, just about everyone I know has had a couple bad experiences online, and I think that can be avoided if, as you say in the last line, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That line's so simple, but it holds so much truth and it really does make some people think twice, I think. I like how you said that basically, if we all treat each other like we treat our own friends and family we may see every day, most likely, the internet would be a friendlier place. Of the sites of experienced, Booksie is definitely the most friendly and welcoming so far, and I've already found many people who are as nice as can be. It's unfortunate that there's a "rotten egg" here and there..but very good article, and who knows, it might make someone out there think twice? :)
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
DEAR DEAR ANNA, this one is MAGNIFICIENT...CAN U FEEL MY EXCITEMENT?
I will come back with proper comment ...i want to seep inside the article.
love
pratibha
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
hi! anna. this one is timely. i'm responding on two counts.
1. in april, two of my friends and me were receiving porno messages and suggestive comments on our email ids. i removed my email address and promptly sent out warning messages that this'd not be tolerated. one of the two has left the site. the other does not comment.
2. i still receive profane comments. i earlier left them on for s/he has a right to say. but there is a limit to this and there should be a reason for this retaliation. since both the counts went unanswered, i promtly DELETED them. i won't tolerate nonsense, no matter who. it's best to ignore and avoid.
criticism, when constructive, adds to the body of work and is always welcome. some of the commentators on booksie r excellent in critique and i've benefitted from their comments and added to my work. but destructive one is never acceptable and reflects its writer's mental state.
if anyone doesn't wish to comment if requested, that's fine. its one's own free will and wish. and it cuts both ways. perverts'll remain in both real and virtual world. its how v deal with them that'll control their actions.
and let's say AMEN to it. ;-)
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
What a wonderful article and so true! I found myself nodding my head in agreement with everything you said. Booksie is a wonderful on-line community with many wonderful people. There's always going to be those hurtful people. I just ignore them and continue talking to those who encourage and make the world a better place, even if only an e-world. I've had many good experiences and many bad experiences on-line and find that you just stay with the good and ignore the bad. That's the beauty of the internet: if you don't like something or someone, you can exit that page! Great article!
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
^_^ yes, as Emily said: 'stay with the good and ignore the bad' ^_^ yes, because things just continuously change here if you can notice what is in today is out tomorrow lol! well you know what I mean.
yes I have often read obnoxious comments by certain folks (on other peoples pages) and wished to reiterate because it made me angry but, instead I chose to ignore because it is pure ignorance on the persons part and to reiterate would only bring myself down to that level. although I have to admit that inside I 'cheer' if and when someone else calls the person on thier behavior. so, well maybe I just don't like confrontation? (I'm chicken) lol!!
hahah, no but, yes and too, I also can not seem to post on other peoples pages when I have a new post asking for them to read, it just was not a part of the way booksie had always been, to me this is something new, and I just don't feel right about it, although, at the same time I do enjoy being asked on my page to read others, well especially my favorite peoples, haha you for one Anna Therese ^_^
I think it is OK, to ask those to read IF you in turn read theres, but if you have no intention on taking the time to read thiers then you should not be posting on thier pages for them to read yours you know? personally I think that it is rude.
well, see how I am, boy it was hard for me jsut to say that. oh-well.......this is a great article Anna, really it is, truly it is needed, especially lately. I honestly thankyou for being so well spoken,
honest and down to earth.
I know there is much more to share here but I think I should get going for now, I think I've been here for about 40 minutes or so.. lololol... lots to read and lots to ponder.... I am going to bed now.. sweet dreams or lovely sunshine which ever time of day it is when you get to read this......tata, until we read again ^_^
Posted: Jun 28, 2008
A well written piece and thought provoking.
The problem with the net is that is enables people to be abusive without any retaliation to their face. This would seem to give them the right to be as rude as they want with complete immunity as they know there is very little that can be done to prevent it.
This is just another form of bullying and is just as unacceptable. I find that if I dont like something someone has written its better not to say anything and move on. Or if you feel something could be changed say so but in a constructive manner without hurting anyones feelings.
As for the constant requests to read peoples work when they havent bothered to read yours I find this annoying. They wish you to give up your time for them without them having given any time to your work. I do try and find time to read other writers on this page but people should apreciate that there is only a finite amount of free time that people have and not keep nagging for reads. Once should be enough.
As for hard and fast rules for communication, I see it as an extension of real life. Try and be civil and polite when necessary and convey criticism in a constructive manner. If you dont like something or are offended by something someone has written it is better to chalk it up to experience and move on.
There is never a need to resort to abuse. I have been on the recieving end of some nasty comments on Booksie and fail to see why anyone would intentionaly set out to hurt anyone who is brave enough to publish their writing. They only prove themselves to be mindless idiots who should have better things to do. Do not dignify their comments by resorting to abuse. Better to be nice and polite it drives them nuts.
Basically just be nice and people on the whole are nice back. Ignore the nasty ones and perhaps spare them a little pity for their sad lives.
Peace
Boneman
Posted: Jun 29, 2008
You know, I'm not sure who said it earlier, but I get so many people literally begging me to read their stuff and comment. I think it was Jerry. And it's people that aren't even on my Fans list. And even then, when I get someone who wants to be a Fan, I realize they haven't even read any of my stuff and commented.
In my opinion, a Fan is someone who checks out your page to see if you have anything new up. For instance, I'm a big fan of yours, Anna. I check your profile quite often, so excited to see what you've come up with next.
I know of some instances where there have been some truly crude remarks on here. Nasty, ugly, and rude comments were coming from a certain person. When I read those, I just shake my head and wonder to myself, "Now, who is this person REALLY mad at?" Because it's not us the person is angry at. Mad at the world? Mad at home life? Work? Who knows? This is the one place that person can let their anger out and be totally anonymous.
The community here on Booksie has made such a positive effect on me. I've written more these past six months I've been on Booksie than I have in the past six years. And I'm enjoying it so much! To me, a friend is someone with whom you dare to be yourself (Emerson, I think). I am more myself on here than I am with people in my daily life. So, I suppose I consider Booksie people friends. Are they my bestest friends in the whole wide world? No. I don't know you from Jack. But, I do pour my heart and soul on here, and I get so much positive feedback. I mean, StrictlyVee has memoirs on here that must have been sooo hard for her to write about. And so many of us are behind her on her road to recovery. We all pour our heart and souls on here. This is the one place where we can write what we truly feel, we can write about the silliest things, we can write about whatever; and this is a place where I don't want to be judged. I'm judged everywhere else I go.
I'm not sure where I was going with that. But Anna, you definitely wrote an excellent article. And I didn't see any spelling errors either. And I love the very last line. Treat others like you would want to be treated. It's just the Golden Rule.
MA
Posted: Jun 29, 2008
I just read my comments this morning before spreading out to read and one of my comments was, "This is stinky." I'm not sure why, but I found it so darn cute! I get lots of nasty comments and probably because I write erotica people think I've got it coming to me. Maybe. There was one person on here that I truly think has a chemical imbalance who would leave horribly mean and sexually inappropriate comments, but I've always answered my own comments kindly.
One of my booksie friends has a heckler, you know who I'm referring to, and actually suggests he kill himself?! Of course, it just somebody trying to get a rise out of somebody else, but of all the hateful things to say that takes the cake for me. Of all the nasty comments I get, his actually made me madder than any of my own.
I have been lucky to make a few booksie friends and I've got to say that I treasure these friendships more than anyone on the outside could understand. I try to take the good and ignore the bad here. Sometimes its easier than others, but a little kindness goes a long way. Your article was a good reminder to remember that there are actual people here and not some kind of faceless entity and as such should be treated with respect whether or not you apprciate their work.
Nice
Posted: Jun 30, 2008
This was so timely and appreciated. I know it it hard to get to all the poems and stories written and I feel so guilty, when I receive an email update and don't respond.
Sometimes I even wonder if I am cut out for Booksie because so much is demanded as far as reading goes. I was thinking of leaving myself because I just don't have the time. I don't want to because it is a way to publish your writing whether anyone reads it or not but life makes too many demands on me lately and I am feeling that I may not be a good fan. Your article has made me think a lot. I feel I have responded honestly and answered respectfully. I would want to treat others the way I would want to be treated. Sincerely, Susan
Posted: Jun 30, 2008
It eases loneliness and draws together people with similar interests. It is a forum for debate, a place to find on-line support and also a means of being heard on a broader scale. Most people who seek to be heard are honest, dignified, thoughtful and trustworthy and do not seek the anonymity of internet communication for foul means........
SO VERY TRUE...
Even i landed up in Booksie via google ad....this is fun...believe me when i say, i met some of the wonderful people and my depression reduced so much....these writers became friends for life....
What was I before I joined booksie? An aimless person trying to sort out my thoughts....when i started writing, i used to laugh at my own writings, but when i received so much love and encouragement from all of Booksians....I was enthralled...is it for me? is it? is it? Is it true or dream?
But unfortunately even i have criticised about things i thought r not right....I think i should not...but then i feel as if i am cheating...where to draw line? I am confused....I am very happy to write good points about any posts....but am scared to write the 'loopholes' sometimes unless he/she is close to me....
I become upset as well when someone writes 'hurtful' things on my posts.....i am very open to criticisms but when it becomes like 'look i am better than you....u don;t know how to write...let me show u how..." I hate this attitude.....
i know i have loopholes and i am NOT perfect....but i am here for 'growing' amidst veterans writers and to share my emotions and not to 'show off' my writing skills....i don't know how to write poems/short stories but I never had time to take formal training for that....throughout my life i was busy studying for some other course...my Papa always wanted me to be a doctor and i yearned to be a writer....i made a choice for my Parents and thought i would always catch up later on writing....and so here i am ......
i have one request to anyone who reads my posts....Please be honest with the posts and write the TRUTH...I am strong to 'take it" and to change or not to change would be up to me....i won't be offended at all.....
I thank ANNA from the bottom of my soul for giving this platform for sharing our views,......
I am so happy....that i could vent out my feelings....
Posted: Jun 30, 2008
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