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Submitted: Jul 1, 2007    Reads: 151    Comments: 9    Likes: 3   


yesterday i was talking to a few friends of? mine ,? they were of mixed religious backgrounds, some were muslims, some were rastafarians, others were hindis and many were athesists.

and while i was talking to them i found out they had a totally wrong view about the God i serve the god of? jews and christians.

let me start first with my muslim friends, while we were discussing God i? asked the question of how should we treat women,? for the life of me even though i read about how some islam believers treat and view women i was still shell shocked. i couldn't believe the answer.? their answer was women should always cover their bodies, never leave the house without a male companion. i was shocked. and those guys are my friends so when i asked them? how should i be treated remember those guys are my friends and are also muslims. they said i should be treated exactly like a muslim woman and? since i was cheating on my boyfriend ( not anything sexual? just a kiss i gave a guy) i should? be stoned to death because i committed the sin of adultery? though i'm not married. i asked how would allah? the muslim name god view this and they replied? he would think it just?.

then i asked about where do women go after they died where does allah take them

they reply the quran does not speak of a woman's fate when she dies but it does make note of a man's fate. the man will go to heaven where there's virgins waiting for him.

i was in total disbelief. then i asked do you still think? you and i serve the same God?

and they said yes we are spirtual brothers of abrahmn

but then i replied the God i serve has a heaven waiting for both men and women

?and he certainly doesn't have? virgins waiting for a man in heaven

and he certaintly does not treat women they way you treat women.

and then tried to confuse me about saying a fact about christianity that christians at one point treated their women horrible i agreed to that fact but i also said and showed that it was not in the biblical

us human beings interrupted the bible to? suit our interests

early christians and muslims makes God look like a evil sexist dictator who has no use for women

but the? real God is nothing like that he used women in his ministry

examples ruth, esther, deborah? and also at times he told abrahmn, issac and jacob to hearken to? voice of theirs wives which means listen to their wives

jesus had mary madagaline? has one of his followers and clostist friends

in fact after he rescuurated she was the first of his followers to see him

and there a few more women in the bible and God also sent his holy spirit to both men and women in the upper room in the? book of acts

but i decided to give? up? talking to muslim friends

they were really getting me frustrated and i thought they were different

but that's for another

i now move along to my rastafarian friends

now my rasta friends were not as frustrating as my? muslim friends, they didn't share those harsh rules. but we did have? strong differences in opinion

i ask them of their ganga or weed or what should i say marijuana smoking

they told me it? brings them closer to the father and that weed is only used in ceremonial customs. i also told that weed was unhealthy and? there was scentific proof that it could send someone crazy.

but then? they said that's people who don't know how to use it and those rasta friends said the ganga can be use foe medical reasons and i was? lured into listening to them.

i was so interested especially when they started talking about the back to africa movement and marcus garvey i was excited i did all those things in history class, i wanted them to tell me more but i got disappointed when he said that blacks are superior than whites

i was crushed because i had european ancenstry and my grandad is half white and i have half white cousins, white uncles and aunts in my family and i was more drawn to european culture although i had a wide interest in african culture.

then i asked about haile selassie and their claims that he's God, while they don't disrupt the fact Jesus was a prophet and sent by God, they claimed that haile selassie was God and a direct descendent of? king david. while the latter may? be true? i said to them selassie was of mixed hertiage he had indian and he himself said he was not God. so i decided to ask my? dread friends what do they think of this.

and the answerd the? late former emperor of ethiopia was being humble and he didn't mean what he said. and i said ok

and then i ask about God my rasta friends and i had almost the same opinion of God with exception of him being black and all for superioty of the african nation

now i must clear a myth about rastafarians many people seemed to believe that rastas are unclean, unruly because of those few who claimed to be rastas but i must say they one of the? neatness, mannely and honest people in this world

i must say while i was disapointted a bit i was very enlighten after my conversation with my dreadlock friends oh did i mention they are vegaterains

i wasn't? turn off about rastafariam if i wasn't christian this might? possible been a religion i would? go into.

i now move on to  hinduism. i always thought  hindiuism was  interesting religion


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princess onika auguste:

Worthy effort! Gave it a "5". For content. Thought it might make a good short article for a Christian magazine or newsletter. Waiting to read your treatment/s of other Faiths.

There are a great many misspellings and use of lower-case, except when referring to God. This hurts your presentation with respect to reading it and getting a Christian publisher to want to print it. Though these problems are among the easier ones with which to deal.

There can be many powerfully negative reactions from others when doing a serious critique of their religion, faith and personally held values. So be careful. Didn't know there would be so many followers of Islam in St. Lucia.

To instruct you in such matters in not my purpose or within my area of expertise. Though I do agree with you. My edits, for submitting for publication, are as follows:

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Yesterday, I talked to a few friends. They were of different religious backgrounds. Some were Muslim. Some were Rastafarian. Others were Hindi. Many were atheists.

While talking to them, I found they were totally incorrect in their views about the God of Judaism and Christianity. The same God in Whom I believe and seek to serve.

Let me begin with my Muslim friends. In our discussions about God, I asked them: "How should women be treated?" Some of their beliefs in the Islamic treatment and view of women left me shocked. I couldn't believe their answers. Their answers were: Women should always cover their bodies and should never leave their homes without a male companion.

I also asked: How should I be treated? They told me: I should be treated exactly like a Muslim woman. They accused me of "cheating on my boyfriend" (just because I kissed another guy) and, for doing so, I should be stoned to death because I committed the sin of adultery. Because I'm not married, I asked how Allah would view this and they replied, "He would think it just.".

Then I asked: "Where do women go after death? Where does Allah take them?" They replied: The Quran does not speak of a woman's fate when she dies but it does make note of a man's fate. Men will go to heaven where there are virgins waiting for him.

In total disbelief, I then asked: "Do you still think we both serve the same God?" They said, "Yes! We are spirtual brothers of abraham."

I replied: "The God I serve has a heaven waiting for both men and women. Most certainly does not have virgins waiting for men in heaven. Nor does He treat women they way Islam treats women."

They, then, tried to confuse me by saying: "Christianity, at a point in it's history, treated women as horribly as does Islam." I agreed but said and showed that this was not based on teachings to be found in The Holy Bible.

Some human beings, purposely, misinterpreted the bible, for others, to suit their own selfish interests.

Early Christians and Muslims made God look like a evil sexist dictator with no use for women.

The real God is nothing like that and used women in his ministry. Examples: Ruth, Esther, Deborah and, at times, God told Abrahmn, Isaac and Jacob to "hearken to the voice of your wife" meaning "listen" to your wife.

Mary Magdalene was a follower of Jesus Christ and one of his closest friends. After His Resurrection, she was the first to see Him

God sent His Holy Spirit to both men and women in the upper room in the Book of Acts. (Not sure about this. Thought it was just the 12 Apostles.)

I, then, decided to stop talking to my Muslim friends. I found them frustrating and thought them different. But that discussion is for another time.

Now! For my Rastafarian friends!
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PS -

Princess Onika Auguste:

(I have to ask: "Do you truly consider them your friends?" You do not have to answer me. Just yourself.)


Happy trails and hope this helps,

Ed Bradley.

Posted: Jul 1, 2007

Author Comment:

thank so very much. i'll take your editing advice. i welcome this very much. i wrote this in a rush because i was so upset after talking to my"friends" this truly helps. now it was not only the 12 apostoles if you read acts they were over a 100 people in the upper room including mary jesus' mother when the holy spirit came upon them. i'll get the scripture for you later. now to your question do i really considered my muslim associates my friends after what they told me not any more. they now off my list of friends and now on my list of acciquatices. thank you so much for your editing and constructive critism. it's widely appreciated.
thanks very much

These Muslim "friends" of yours seem to be wrongfully interpreting the Quran. Nowhere in it does it state that men will get virgins in Heaven. Also, most Muslimahs (female Muslims) dress in such a manner as you described, not because they are forced to, but because they are proud of their religion, and choose to dress in such a manner much like many Christians wear a cross.
Another thing I noted in your essay is your mention of how Christians do not treat women disrespectfully. In the time of the bible, it was common place to abuse women, and for centuries after that women were considered naturally sinful because of Eve committing the first sin.
Overall, I hope that your so-called "friends" did not ruin other faiths for you. You must remember that in every religion, there are some individuals who, as you said, misinterpret to suit their own interests. Good luck in your examination of other faiths, just be sure to keep an open mind, because religion is a touchy subject for most people.
Sincerely,
Andlat

Posted: Jul 2, 2007

Author Comment:

thanks for your critism. yes christians did and do still treat women disrespectively but it's not biblical. yes eve ate the fruit but no where in the bible does it say eve sinned it says eve was decieved the bible repeatly says she was decieved and adam sinned. anyways thank you very much for comments. i also want to note that the other people i spoke didn't frustrate me as much as my so call "friends" who are muslims

the discussion is getting hotter....
Don't bother Onika, the topic is gr8.

It's Hindus and not Hindis.

Waiting to know about ur hindu friends..
Talking about religion is like putting hands in a bee hive....

well done for that courage....buddy...honest experience.

I LIKED IT

Posted: Apr 16, 2008

Author Comment:

thank you. i will update it soon

hi! princess. all religions are fine but the disease is in our hearts and mind. great job. ;-)

Posted: May 21, 2008

Author Comment:

thank you

If you take religion for what it is, then there is hope. Alas that is not so.

Posted: May 21, 2008

Author Comment:

thank you

Well done, my girl. It shows your awareness and how you want to clear misconceptions.

Posted: May 21, 2008

Author Comment:

thank you very much

What you give is the response of same religious persons. You should also take Jews towards Chritians and vice versa. You'll then definitely find a wholesome perspective. This article is a good start.

Posted: May 21, 2008

Author Comment:

thank you i will

It's a refreshing change to read this.

Posted: May 21, 2008

Author Comment:

thank you

I reply to the Islam part, as i am Muslim
Women are treated same as man, and it says so in our religion, anything saying otherwise is wrong

Upon entering heaven, men are awarded with the 70 virgins (its not a worldly virgin, something more)

Women might chose to be kept married to their earth husbands or chose to leave for one of the Blessed people of Heaven (those who hold high regards) or a man of her choosing, the intent is to join a family, there are no jealousy or i am 1st 2nd or anything of that sort

For the kissing part, both man and woman are awarded the same fate in adultery, if not married then 80 whiplashes, married then stoned to death, man and woman
and this punishment is that severe to show the grievance of such mistake and the repercussions of such an act (bastard children and lineage disarray)

And they way a woman covers is to protect her, her beauty is only awarded to her husband, and with beauty concealed, she is well protected against vulgar behaving of men and sexual predators

In the End, the God of Moses, is that of Jesus, is that of Mohammed.....is the same God for us all!

Posted: Sep 26, 2008

Author Comment:

amen! thank you for correcting me. i am a very opinion minded person.



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