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Manned Space Travel To The Planet Mars - Another Popular Public Myth Funded With U.S. Federal Tax-$

Short Story By: EdwardJBradleySr
Editorial and Opinion


This is in response to a posting by bellavistabear in which he, on August 24, 2007, posted a poem acclaiming the future of manned space travel. To Mars and, perhaps, other planets. Or so he seems to believe. Here is his posting.

Following his posting and my response to it is some correspondence between myself and others discussing this issue.
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Science Fact
A Poem By: bellavistabear
Poetry


Tags: Science fiction, Technology, Tomorrow, Aliens, Space, Planets.

The musings of life in the future. View table of contents...

Submitted: Aug 24, 2007 Reads: 8 Comments: 1


Today's Science Fiction

Will be tomorrows Science Fact.

Tourist on the moon.

Millions it will attract.


Colonies on Mars

It's not so hard to think.

Freighter mining ore

We are on the brink.


Interstellar flights

Can you say Star Trek?

Today's Science Fiction

Will then be Science Fact.


Reverse engineering

From downed Alien ships

Will supply us with the technology

To Power us on those trips.


Beings from other galaxies

Will be allies or foes.

Intergalactic wars

Will replace those of old.


The world of tomorrow

Will not look like today.

Science Fact will take us

Far, Far away.


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Comments:
EdwardJBradleySr
bellavistabear:

Man! Are you ever mistaken. Read what follows.

Personally attended a meeting of former and current NASA scientists/physicists who admitted, to the limited audience in attendance, that inter-planetary manned space travel is virtually impossible. This is not shared with the public because it might threaten their federal funding. When G.W. Bush talks about humans traveling to Mars this is just so much spin. To make him look good. Which is to say: knowledgeable about scientific matters.

Manned travel to the moon is possible only because the moon resides/orbits within the Earth's magnetic field to protect it (as it protects all of us) from the radiation bombardment that irradiates all things in outer space.

The planet Mars has no protective magnetic field surrounding it. This is because it several magnetic poles which are (mis-)placed in an irregular and haphazard way so that they cannot produce such a magnetic field. The planet Earth has just 2 magnetic poles which are diametrically opposed to one another and upon or around which the planet Earth revolves. Thereby enabling the protective magnetic field can be and is generated. Because of this, life (as we know it) exists and can thrive on Earth but has never existed on Mars, as it cannot. So you see, it takes more that carbon, iron and water to sustain life of the type known to exist on Earth. Something to think about.
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Manned mission is not in Mars' future

By ANNE APPLEBAUM
First published: Friday, January 9, 2004

WASHINGTON -- The first color pictures from the NASA space probe expedition to Mars have now been published. They look like -- well, they look like pictures of a lifeless, distant planet. They show blank, empty landscapes. They show craters and boulders. They show red sand.

Death Valley, the most desolate of American deserts, at least contains strange cacti, vicious scorpions, the odd oasis. Mars has far less than that. Not only does the planet have no life, it has no air, no water, no warmth. The temperature on the Martian surface hardly rises much above 0 Fahrenheit, and can drop several hundred degrees below that.

Mars, as a certain pop star once put it, isn't the kind of place where you'd want to raise your kids. Nor is it the kind of place anybody is ever going to visit, as some of the NASA scientists know perfectly well. Even leaving aside the cold, the lack of atmosphere and the absence of water, there's the deadly radiation.

If the average person on Earth absorbs about 350 millirems of radiation every year, an astronaut traveling to Mars would absorb about 130,000 millirems of a particularly virulent form of radiation that would probably destroy every cell in his body. "Space is not 'Star Trek,' " said one NASA scientist, "but the public certainly doesn't understand that."

No, the public does not understand that. And no, not all scientists, or all politicians, are trying terribly hard to explain it either.

Too often, rational descriptions of the inhuman, even anti-human living conditions in space give way to public hints that more manned space travel is just around the corner, that a manned Mars mission is next, that there is some grand philosophical reason to keep sending human beings away from the only planet where human life is possible. One actual "Star Trek" actor, Robert Picardo, the ship's holographic doctor, enthused this week that "we really should have a timetable to send a man to Mars. ... Mars should be part of our travel plans." Naive, perhaps, but fundamentally not much different from President Bush's grandiloquent words after the Columbia disaster: "Mankind is led into the darkness beyond our world by the inspiration of discovery and the longing to understand. Our journey into space will go on."

But why should it go on? Or at least why should the human travel part of it go on? Crowded out of the news this week was the small fact that the troubled international space station, which is itself accessible only by the troubled space shuttle, has sprung a leak.

Also, somehow played down is the fact that the search for "life" on Mars -- proof, as the enthusiasts have it, that we are "not alone" in the universe -- is not a search for sentient beings but rather a search for evidence that billions of years ago there might possibly have been a few microbes. It's hard to see how that sort of information is going to heal our cosmic loneliness, let alone lead to the construction of condo units on Mars.

None of which is to say that it isn't interesting or important for NASA to send robotic probes to other planets. It's interesting in the way that the exploration of the bottom of the Pacific Ocean is interesting, or important in the way that the study of obscure dead languages is important. Like space exploration, these are inspiring human pursuits. Like space exploration, they nevertheless have very few practical applications.

But space exploration isn't treated the way other purely academic pursuits are treated. For one, the scientists doing it have perverse incentives. Their most dangerous missions -- the ones involving human beings -- produce the fewest research results, yet receive the most attention, applause and funding. Their most productive missions -- the ones involving robots -- inspire interest largely because the public illogically believes they will lead to more manned space travel.

Worse, there is always the risk that yet another politician will seize on the idea of "sending a man to Mars," or "building a permanent manned station on the moon" as a way of sounding far-sighted or futuristic or even patriotic. President Bush is allegedly considering a new expansion of manned space travel. The Chinese are embarking on their own manned space program, since sending a man to the moon is de rigueur for would-be superpowers. The result, inevitably, will be billions of misspent dollars, more lethal crashes -- and a lot more misguided rhetoric about the "inspiration of discovery," as if discoveries can only be made with human hands. Anne Applebaum writes for The Washington Post.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

PS - Liked the rhyming scheme and rhythm. Just the content is the problem.

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Submitted: Sep 15, 2007    Reads: 648    Comments: 14    Likes: 2   


Manned mission is not in Mars' future

By ANNE APPLEBAUM
First published: Friday, January 9, 2004

WASHINGTON -- The first color pictures from the NASA space probe expedition to Mars have now been published. They look like -- well, they look like pictures of a lifeless, distant planet. They show blank, empty landscapes. They show craters and boulders. They show red sand.

Death Valley, the most desolate of American deserts, at least contains strange cacti, vicious scorpions, the odd oasis. Mars has far less than that. Not only does the planet have no life, it has no air, no water, no warmth. The temperature on the Martian surface hardly rises much above 0 Fahrenheit, and can drop several hundred degrees below that.

Mars, as a certain pop star once put it, isn't the kind of place where you'd want to raise your kids. Nor is it the kind of place anybody is ever going to visit, as some of the NASA scientists know perfectly well. Even leaving aside the cold, the lack of atmosphere and the absence of water, there's the deadly radiation.

If the average person on Earth absorbs about 350 millirems of radiation every year, an astronaut traveling to Mars would absorb about 130,000 millirems of a particularly virulent form of radiation that would probably destroy every cell in his body. "Space is not 'Star Trek,' " said one NASA scientist, "but the public certainly doesn't understand that."

No, the public does not understand that. And no, not all scientists, or all politicians, are trying terribly hard to explain it either.

Too often, rational descriptions of the inhuman, even anti-human living conditions in space give way to public hints that more manned space travel is just around the corner, that a manned Mars mission is next, that there is some grand philosophical reason to keep sending human beings away from the only planet where human life is possible. One actual "Star Trek" actor, Robert Picardo, the ship's holographic doctor, enthused this week that "we really should have a timetable to send a man to Mars. ... Mars should be part of our travel plans." Naive, perhaps, but fundamentally not much different from President Bush's grandiloquent words after the Columbia disaster: "Mankind is led into the darkness beyond our world by the inspiration of discovery and the longing to understand. Our journey into space will go on."

But why should it go on? Or at least why should the human travel part of it go on? Crowded out of the news this week was the small fact that the troubled international space station, which is itself accessible only by the troubled space shuttle, has sprung a leak.

Also, somehow played down is the fact that the search for "life" on Mars -- proof, as the enthusiasts have it, that we are "not alone" in the universe -- is not a search for sentient beings but rather a search for evidence that billions of years ago there might possibly have been a few microbes. It's hard to see how that sort of information is going to heal our cosmic loneliness, let alone lead to the construction of condo units on Mars.

None of which is to say that it isn't interesting or important for NASA to send robotic probes to other planets. It's interesting in the way that the exploration of the bottom of the Pacific Ocean is interesting, or important in the way that the study of obscure dead languages is important. Like space exploration, these are inspiring human pursuits. Like space exploration, they nevertheless have very few practical applications.

But space exploration isn't treated the way other purely academic pursuits are treated. For one, the scientists doing it have perverse incentives. Their most dangerous missions -- the ones involving human beings -- produce the fewest research results, yet receive the most attention, applause and funding. Their most productive missions -- the ones involving robots -- inspire interest largely because the public illogically believes they will lead to more manned space travel.

Worse, there is always the risk that yet another politician will seize on the idea of "sending a man to Mars," or "building a permanent manned station on the moon" as a way of sounding far-sighted or futuristic or even patriotic. President Bush is allegedly considering a new expansion of manned space travel. The Chinese are embarking on their own manned space program, since sending a man to the moon is de rigueur for would-be superpowers. The result, inevitably, will be billions of misspent dollars, more lethal crashes -- and a lot more misguided rhetoric about the "inspiration of discovery," as if discoveries can only be made with human hands. Anne Applebaum writes for The Washington Post. 
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From: EDWARD BRADLEY

To: tierney@nytimes.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:37 PMSubject: Your article of August 2, 2005: Manned Space Exploration Of The Planet MarsJohn:    You need to update your scientific knowledge about manned space exploration which the aeronautical sciences people are withholding from the tax-paying public and from you as well.  The main reasons for not sending people beyond the earth's orbit are, in large part, spelled out in Anne Applebaum's attached article.Radiation bombardment and destruction of living organisms is the main problem.  Earth's diametrically opposed bipolar magnetic field which protects all life on the planet Earth from this radiation bombardment is not present on the planet Mars.Mars is multi-polar and, as such, none of these magnetic poles can generate such a protective force field because the magnetic poles are scattered across the planet in an irregular way.  If this has always been true then Mars has never been able to support life (Even if water ever existed there.) as it is known to exist on Earth.  Manned space exploration beyond Earth's orbit is impossible and all aerospace scientists know this.  But they keep talking about it as a real possibility, but knowing it is a false promise, so as to keep the federal funding coming.  Whether of not President Bush knows this is another question.  Your little expedition, in Canada, 500 miles north of the Arctic Circle and from the point of view of real science, was a meaningless activity and nothing more than the most recent chapter in a long series of useless publicity stunts.Regards,Edward J. Bradley, Sr_______________________________________________________----- Original Message ----- From: WallyTo: EDWARD BRADLEY Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:46 PMSubject: RE: Your article of August 2, 2005: Manned Space Exploration Of The Planet MarsWhere do you get this knowledge?_______________________________________________________

 ----- Original Message -----

From: EDWARD BRADLEY
To: Wally
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Your article of August 2, 2005: Manned Space Exploration Of The Planet Mars

Wally:
    Got it at an astronomy/aerospace symposium held at Union College/University in Schenectady, N.Y. last year.  Many of the panelists were college level science professors (physics, astrophysics, engineering, astronomy, etc.), many of whom were also current and former employees of NASA.  Or so they said and I think they were to be believed.  One of the scientists, in the audience, brought up the topic and it was really surprising to me when I heard it.  The only possible solutions put forth were:
      1. Completely encase the entire space craft in lead which would protect the passengers from radiation but would prevent viewing outer-space, during the trip, directly through glass windows as space travel is often depicted on TV.  Astronauts who travel to the moon are still within Earth's orbit though their exposure to this radiation is much greater because Earth's protective magnetic field becomes weaker the further one may be above sea level and from the surface of Earth.  Even airline passengers receive greater exposure to this same radiation than do those traveling on land.  The main logistical problem here is the sheer weight of the amount of lead required to encase the space ship.  In other words, as a unit constructed here on Earth, it could not be transported from Earth into orbit around Earth at this point.  Furthermore, sensing devices would still have to be placed outside of the lead encasement and wired to the interior so that the space travelers could intelligently and effectively navigate the space craft.
    2.  Completely encoil the entire space craft in conductive (copper, gold, silver, iron?, etc.) metal wire which when it has direct current transmitted through it would generate it's own protective magnetic field around the space craft as long as there is no power failure during the journey until arriving at a planet with it's own protective magnetic field.  This might be able to be done while in orbit around the Earth as the wire could be delivered from Earth, over a period of time, in installments, as part of multiple payloads.  Of course, the same visual limitations, during space travel beyond Earth's gravitational pull, would apply as for the lead encasement.
    3.  Another issue is this:  Mars is the only planet considered as the only feasible planet to which to travel as it is in an orbit which is on the same side of what is known as the "asteroid belt" as is Earth.  Successfully traveling though the "asteroid belt", without being "whacked", is considered to be an even more difficult feat to accomplish than is traveling to Mars, which, at this point and for the aforementioned reasons, is a practical impossibility for manned flight.  All other planets, in our solar system, are supposedly beyond this treacherous "asteroid belt".  This doesn't make complete sense as Earth is the 3rd planet from the Sun and, though 2 of the others are closer to the Sun, unmanned space craft have traveled to other planets besides Mars.  Don't know much more than this, I guess.
Happy trails,
Ed Bradley.

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Well that woke me up! It isn't my usual reading for 5'oclock in the morning. Personally I can not see any worthwhile benefit in space programmes. How can any country justify the money spent chasing after little green men and flying saucers. We hardly know enough about our own planet!
Our Polar ice caps are melting, our forests are being destroyed. India, South east Asia, Japan and so on are being hit with earthquakes nearly every month. Then you have the hurricane's not to mention the carbon emissions we are all choking to death on. Money spent on more scientific research on earth would be more worthwhile. Anyway George Bush isn't the brightest bulb in the pack he probably thinks he will get a game of golf with the Jetsons when he gets to Mars. Some one wants to warn him of the craters! Ok, Ok, before anyone puts me in a rocket and blasts me to space, I was only joking. Its Probably just the cue card that trips him up.
Well, EdwardJBradleySr, my friend, keep up the good work and for keeping it real! Tina

Posted: Sep 15, 2007

Author Comment:

much2say - Tina:

Thank you for reading and commenting.

Actually, I like the space program. Up to a point. A great many technological advancements have benefitted us all. As a result.

That which is most irksome, to myself, is when political leaders and scientists mislead the public by withholding crucial information or by lying to the public about the true "facts". To keep the government funding flowing. If the public knew the entire truth and still wanted to fund the enterprise, then this would be OK with me. In a democracy. For example: the oft stated promise of manned interplanetary space travel, beyond the gravitational "pull" of the planet Earth, is most unrealistic. If not, impossible! To which I say, "The truth and nothing but the truth! Please!".

In my view the single largest problem is the cost, where the money comes from and who pays. Money which could be used, more productively, to ease other human problems. Here on Earth.

Examples:

1. the plundering of the public treasury and excessive subscription fees for cable or satellite TV where programs are still interrupted with commercial advertisements.

2. If you have not done so already, you are invited to read my 4 postings on "Social Security" and how surplus SS tax dollars are used to subsidize the annual federal U.S. Gov't budget.

Oh well! We can't take it with us. When we die. Nor will it spend on another planet.

Thank you again.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

That was something. I will state this, and I hope that I did get the true statement of you posting sir, forgive me if I did not. Through out history the "present" sciences had it's limits, until someone proved it wrong. Television, air crafts, telephones, Atomic powers, etc. It is the dreamers that bring us places, good or bad. Let us see what happens. Tyrone.

Posted: Sep 15, 2007

Author Comment:

Tyrone Slade:

Thank you for reading and for your comment.

I do agree with you. To a point.

Dreamers, often, impel us to the future, where life is improved. Though I'm having trouble appreciating the total value of nuclear or atomic power. Given the destructive ends to which it has been placed. Thus far. As weapons of mass destruction. To say nothing of the environmental threat nuclear waste poses to the future health and well-being of humankind and the planet Earth.

Delusional dreamers, however and despite their good intentions, may hold us back. By causing us all to waste valuable resources.

Please read my response to the comments of "much2say" for a more expansive response. Thank you.

Thank you again. For reading and for commenting. Much appreciated.


Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

If history has tough us anything it has thought us that anything is possible. It just takes time and knowledge to get there. Human have the ability to create way of doing things and they love a challenge and space is one of them. I have no doubt that man will visit Mars some day. Will I be around to see it No I won’t but that’s does not mean it can’t or won’t happen. Some day somebody will find a way through some technology that will block radiation from pass through some substance that will protect humans in space. I know this because we have done it in some ways on a small scale. It’s too easy to use the excuse that well we can go to the moon because of a gravitational pull or protection. There was a time we had no clue that would be an issue be we forged ahead and found solutions and we landed on the moon. That cannot be minimized as it was a great human conquest. There will always be something in the way of where we may want to go. Sometime it will take years to find a way around it or through it but we find a way. Is the government hiding the fact that we can’t go to mars now? No they say it all the time we don’t have the technology to get there with man. What is being hidden the science of it? I think there is enough public information out there that a person who wants to learn about space travel can. Some here have learned it in spite of what they think the government is saying or not saying and mostly because science is science with what we know currently we can’t make it to mars with humans. But any person of science will tell you that tomorrow we may make a discovery that will change everything we know about space or science. It happens all the time; science is only as good as the people’s current knowledge about it.

I really enjoyed reading the whole post and thought I would put my two cents in. not to say somebody else is wrong in their view but to share my thoughts.
Walter

Posted: Sep 15, 2007

Author Comment:

Kilroy:

Thank you for reading this posting and for your comments. They were most hopeful. About the future.

Thank you again.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

A fasinating subject matter. Interesting points all round.
Keep writing.

Posted: Nov 25, 2007

Author Comment:

Jonathan Brian:

Thank you for reading, commenting and the compliment.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Wow...you shot from the hip ! What a delightful breath of fresh air...

Evelyn (JoKa)

Posted: Nov 25, 2007

Author Comment:

JoKa:

Thank you for reading, commenting and the compliment. The term "shoot from the hip" is not a compliment as it implies the shooter did not take careful aim before firing. Causing the shot to strike something other than the intended target. I know by your 2nd remark that you intended it as a compliment, however. So! I thank you for that.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Nice article, but I would say overly pessimistic about our future prospects for interplanetary travel.

The moon also has no atmosphere. Mars is indeed much further than the moon, but even with today's engines, it is within 6 months journey, if you leave at the right time (about every 2.5 years.) Future thrust technologies promise specific impulses much greater than those we have today, and when that happens, the trip will become even shorter.

As with most challenges, the desire to solve it is what creates the solution.

-John

Posted: Jan 13, 2008

Author Comment:

Jobie:

Thank you for reading and commenting.

The central problem with interplanetary space travel is the radiation bombardment which is not nearly as deadly on the moon because the moon resides within the orbit and the protective magnetic field of the planet Earth. Earth has diametrically opposed magnetic poles because of it's liquified molten core. This is what enables the Earth to generate it's own protective magnetic field to encompass itself, deflecting the radiation bombardment which is pervasive and inescapable in outer space. One protection for a space ship could be if it is, completely, encased in lead. This would prevent viewing the galaxy through a window, as is, often, depicted in science-fiction films and stories.

Mars has no protective magnetic field as it has several magnetic poles, none of which are diametrically opposed and no liquified molten core which might allow a protective magnetic field to be generated. Therefore it's surface is fully bombarded by radiation. Keeping life, as it exists on Earth, from ever forming, surviving or flourishing.

NASA scientists know all of this. They discuss it, openly, when with one another and with the limited number of members of the public who regard science as being Priority #1.

NASA scientists do not raise these issues in public discussion. As they know it will threaten their government funding. This is hard to accept. I know.

Science fiction is not always based on hard science but seeks to entertain, primarily. Fancifully filled with both realistic as well as false promise. Why content presented on the Science-Fiction Channel deserves healthy skepticism. The "Blair Witch Project", for example.

Distance is not the most critical barrier to be overcome. Even so! Not all planets would be accessible because some exist on the far side of what is called the "asteroid belt", which no one, as yet, believes can be successfully navigated without placing a space ship in either great or absolute peril.

A few years ago, during the Mars mania, I learned all of this when attending a meeting of former and current NASA scientists along with local college/university astro-physicists at Union University in Schenectady, NY. Some physics professors, from S.U.N.Y. at Albany and R.P.I. (Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute), were present as well. Their main complaint: Not enough government funding.

Though a sociologist/public administrator/IT specialist, by training and career, the implications of all of this were clear to me. This cost/s to tax-payers were not easily affordable. In exchange for a sufficient return (on a worthy investment) which could, realistically, be produced. Government spending is, almost never, a true investment.

For example, before this meeting, it never occurred to me that humans had never been sent to any distance, beyond Earth's moon, for this reason. As could be done, for short distances and periods. If the deadly results of radiation bombardment were not a such a health hazard. To space travelers.

The space program fascinates me. With the many hopeful scientific advances promised. But not, all, at the cost of my taxes and retirement. If you read my 4 postings on the U.S. Social Security System, you may, more clearly, see some of my concerns.

My postings, which I would most like you to read, are "Self Love" for humor and "Love Intended: #1, #2 & #3" for your more serious and contemplative consideration. Pertaining to human life. On terra firma.

Thank you again! For reading and commenting. Even if we may not agree.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Has anyone entertained the idea that we are the culmination of scientific findings and explorations because of everything that you all have thought to comment and or bring as argument, it has all been pondered and argued before. Precisely why we are habitants on the only liveable planet in our solar system. We are spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence not the other way around although some tend to think it is a physical existence trying to find our spiritual meaning-we have been conditioned by scientific theories, governed institutions and religious authorities to believe there is something else out there,and most certainly there is, we are not the first consider more like the last, because as human beings we are destructive to ourselves, to one another and to our very own enviroment-consider the possibility that once we were able to travel throughout the universe, maybe even a life force of some kind able to live on Mars at one time until our dectructive forces made that obsolete devestating any and all thing around us, just as we do to our Earth on a daily basis, perhaps by that time it will be realized that our Creator did not just create life here only to live and die, and its over we have done that-proving ourselves not equipped with the intelligence to interact with our enviroment and enable ourselves to exist in the many civilizations throught the universe

Posted: Feb 6, 2008

Author Comment:

krptdnacnce:

Thank you for reading and commenting.

Where we may agree: We, human beings, are "spiritual" beings, 1st.; God is the Creator of all. Human knowledge is limited whereas God's knowledge, like Himself, is infinite.

Having said that, it is noteworthy, science and scientists never discuss such things, in public, as, for them, it falls in the realm of "religion", which empirical/hard science dimisses as "mythology" and/or as "superstition".

There is no proof, but only speculation, popularized in science fiction writing, physical human life ever existed except on the planet Earth. There is no proof of other (not exactly human) life has existed elsewhere either. The scientific proof does exist which, clearly, proves that human life cannot be sustained beyond the orbit and protective magnetic field of the planet Earth. Scientists know this but do not say so to the wider public.

My main point: The advocacy/belief in the future possibility of manned space travel is not supported by known scientific knowledge and evidence. Astro-physicists (and those employed by the U.S. - N.A.S.A.) do not publicize this as they are, almost entirely, dependent upon tax-payer funding for their research and related scientific pursuits, some of which are most, scientifically, worthy. To be so forthright would or might imperil their source/s of tax-payer funding. So! They are being most, politically, artful in the omission of some of their own scientific knowledge. As the public, in a democracy, might decide: The investment and the new technology might not be worth it. To them. With the possible result of causing tax-payer funding to be either cut or ended.

My own opinion is that much of this is driven by military considerations. Being "ascendant" in and not "outflanked" by space-based armaments. Something to think about. Irrespective of what we, as individuals, may think or conclude.

On the civilian side, the technology has given birth to enormous advances in telecommunication's technology. By way of satellite transmission(s) for TV/radio entertainment broadcast purposes. Which, too, can be used for both beneficial and destructive purposes. A matter of opinion in some cases. I guess.

What is crucial to this argument, among the discussion of scientific issues (or lack thereof), is the source of funding.

The U.S. Government, using tax-payer dollars, funded the enterprise, almost entirely, at the beginning. More recent telecommunication satellites have been privately funded (I think), at the outset. Such satellites are placed in orbit, around the planet Earth, for a price, by the U.S. - N.A.S.A..

Civilian consumers, then (and once again), must pay for this technology with their subscriptions for satellite TV/radio services. For entertainment purposes.

This begs the following question(s): "Why is tax-payer funding still needed? If the consumer of electronic entertainment is also contributing so much wealth to these pursuits as well? Is continued tax-payer funding dependent, entirely, upon the false promise or fantasy of manned space travel and/or of life on other planets? If so, why, then, should it continue?"

Again. Thank you for reading and commenting.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Your story is harsh medicine. It is true that the Government lies about NASA and many other things. The problem with NASA is that engineers are in charge of it and it is too closely aligned with the armed forces. Even so, space exploration is paramount. Much of humanity's future is out there. Take the money out of the military and use it to develop the technology necessary. If we try to help humanity by focusing only on the mostly short-sighted needs here, we will render our future very bleak. The only thing more important than exploring space is restoring the integrity of the Earth's ecological systems and moving humanity underground. If we neglect either of those goals--which are intertwined--humanity as it is has no future. We will end up like the inhabitants of Easter Island. So , we had best get serious about space exploration and establishing our presence in space, restoring the Earth's beauty, and movong underground--or else we will regret it very sorely.

Posted: Apr 26, 2008

Author Comment:

James Trusty:

While we may agree about some things, we, also, disagree about others. Examples:

1. If the surface of the planet Earth becomess unsuitable for human habitation and other forms of life, we will not survive underground either.

2. The only things outer-space and other planets can offer are: 1) additional mineral content, to be mined by way of unmanned remote control and, somehow, transported to Earth for use here. And as a 2) A place to dump the planet Earth's toxic and other waste/s which competes with the rest of us for the Earth's surface area and other life-sustaining resources. Not a pretty picture.

3. Items-#1 & #2 are my way of saying that outer-space holds no future for humankind living beyond the planet Earth's atmosphere and orbit. This is a scientific fact of physics which no amount of science-fiction can disprove. As easily as it chooses to ignore these same scientific facts, in the writing and publication of popular science-fiction literature.

As an aside: When a college student, I aspired to become, one day, in the field of Sociology, a famed and respected Social Theorist. We all have our dreams and this was mine. One of my Political Science professors counseled and reproved me that the best writers of Social Theory were well-paid for writing and publishing Science-Fiction, instead. Where the physics of outer-space is, often and conveniently, ignored. A Social Theorist, worthy of the label, cannot contradict or ignore the facts of hard science. Ever. As a way of showing how the field of Sociology is and needs to be highly inter-disciplinary. For all of it's "soft" and "humanistic" rhetoric and vocabulary.

4. Restoring the planet Earth's ecological systems is one issue upon which we, most probably, are in complete agreement. But, in my estimation, so it can continue to be inhabited, on it's surface, by human and other life forms.

5. If you want further bad news, then please read my 4 postings on the U.S. Social Security System and how it is (or is not) funded.

Greed, on the part of politicians and their well-moneyed constituencies, is what serves as the basis or motivation for most U.S. Government funding.

6. Most of my poetry is more fun, than is any of this.

Thank you for reading and commenting.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Well said. But, if we are to restore the integrity of the Earth's ecological systems, we will never be able to do it, while most or very many of us live on its surface. Secondly, do not assume that we cannot conquer the so-called laws of physics. Presuming that they are iron-clad and that there is no way around them is small thinking. Cavemen probably assumed that nobody would ever touch the moon. In other words, we do not know nearly as much as we assume. I am no apsotle of science and technology. My specialty is spirituality. But I do realize that science and technology have their place in things. I also realize that we inhabitants of the Earth are still essentially children. There is a trillion times more that we still need to learn and understand about our reality than we already know. ANd that is if one is only referring to our universe. The remainder of Creation is another subject that we remain thoroughly ignorant of. Nevertheless, in time--with God's help and guidence--we will overcome the ignorance, silly attitudes, and primitive technology that now imprisons us and spread our presence throughout the heavens. We will also become acquainted with countless other civilizations that already exist elsewhere. In the meantime, our foolishness will devastate the Earth's surface and most people will die horribly. An ice age will then spare the Earth from becoming an overheated collection of wastelands and dead seas. Despite how brutal it shall be, it will, nonetheless, help the Earth heal. Meanwhile, the survivors of the devastion will remain split into two groups: The blessed ones, who shall dwell in true utopias, and those who will endure and pay for their sins and those of the people like them. The second group will not be allowed to enjoy anything resembling a civilization for at least a thousand years. Ages later, their descendants will cause much trouble. But they will never be allowed to rule the Earth and ruin her, and in the end, they will become extinct.
Such subjects as this may not be fun. But they are necessary. It is high time to start planning for the future and quit living like a horde of idiots. Those who ignore what is comong will be devoured by it. God will only choose to spare those who care and who want to help humanity achieve its grand potentials and become truly wise and righteous. Everyone else who happens to survive the tribulations of the near future will find themselves living in a perpetual nightmare--and they will deserve to suffer. For folks like them add up to the billions of reasons that we are headed for awful times.
Lastly, I am not advocating that we never visit the surface of the Earth. We can live beneath her surface and reserve the surface as a vast garden, park, and Nature preserve. The ice age that is coming will make it undesireabloe and unwise to inhabit the surface in great numbers. We can grow most of our food indoors and use the regions that will remain productive to grow the remainder of our food. In doing so, however, we must and will make allowances for Nature and our fellow creatures. Few things upset God more than us treating Nature and our fellow creatures badly.

Posted: Apr 27, 2008

Author Comment:

James Trusty:

Thank you for commenting again. Since you posted this twice, I will delete the 2nd posting and your apology for having posted it.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

One last point. If you have time, visit my little slot here and read the Tribal Challenge. Something similar to it will serve as the constitution of the true utopias that I have mentioned. Spiritual growth will precede our advance into the heavens.

Posted: Apr 27, 2008

Author Comment:

James Trusty:

Will do.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

This reminds me a little bit of that program on whether we even went to the moon.

I did something different when that program was on Australian TV...I turned OFF the sound and just watched the DUST the moon astronauts kicked up. Kept thinking: "No atmostphere, 1/6th gravity..." and watched dust that reminded me too much of dust in earth conditions.

Posted: May 10, 2008

Author Comment:

George Anthony Hall:

Thank you for reading and commenting.

The thought that the July, 1969 lunar landing was a hoax is just something I have not yet been able to accept. Though nothing run and paid for by the U.S. Government would ever surprise me. When it comes to wasteful over-spending and falsely representing the facts of the programss, for which it collects taxes and then upon which it expends them.

Again! My main point: Expenditures for space exploration programs, based on the false hope for manned space travel, are foolish and wasteful.

Thank you again.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Jack the Knife
(not registered user)

Ed: While I agree with many of your points concerning manned space travel, I refuse to think that leaving the friendly confines of Mother Earth can never occur.

The radiation is a major problem, as are the innumerable objects hurtling through space, only one small example of which could wipe out a space mission. Obstacles are legion, but that should not mean that we shouldn't try to overcome them.

Unfortunately, your complaint of wasted taxpayer money notwithstanding, we just don't have the financial resources to solve the problems of manned space travel. Nor do we have the political will, a la JFK, to sacrifice current budgetary items (Iraq? Tax cuts for the wealthy? Overbloated federal bureauocracy?) in order to meet the challenge.

Sure, we have had a jobs program in NASA the last two decades with the Space Shuttle program, the original goal of which was to get us into orbit on the "cheap" so we could then fire up our spaceships and venture out into the cosmos. Instead we have had meaningless trips back and forth to a space station that still is like a grownup's toy rather than a practical platform from which further explorations could be made. But they did repair the Hubble telescope(a worthwhile result of the shuttle if you don't count the wasted money from the boondoggle of making the lens error in the first place!) But, ironically, these missions into orbit have reinforced the problems we would face with more distant ventures, rather than lessening them.

You might be interested in my science fiction short story, "Worlds Apart" in which I deal with the "are we alone in the universe?" question. I like your pugnacious style. Keep at it, guy.

Posted: Jul 3, 2008

Author Comment:

Jack the Knife:

Thank you for reading, your insightful comments and the compliment.

Most of the value of the U.S. Space program can be found in applications which pertain to military security, global communications and scientific/chemical processes facilitated by the relative weightlessness of them taking place in outer orbit/s around the planet Earth.

What should upset anyone is the probes of the planet Mars, ostensibly, to find out if life could have ever existed there. When astro-physicists already know this could never have been true. Irrespective of whether evidence of water will ever be found. This is just a well crafted fiction of both science and politics to keep funding levels maximized. For N.A.S.A.

If you want to learn about another well crafted political fiction, please read my 4 postings which pertain to the U.S. Social Security System. Which, in it's own way and to some extent, funds the U.S. Space Program. Thank you.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Jack the Knife
(not registered user)

p.s. Sorry about the typo of "bureaucracy". My bad, especially since I criticize others for their spelling miscues. Tsk, tsk!

The embarrassed Jack

Posted: Jul 5, 2008

Author Comment:

Jack the Knife:

Hadn't noticed.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Possible? Not possible? Bla bla bla. Your "Poem" is entertaining not mitigating, ha ha ha.
The idea is not to criticize your thoughts and such.
Just know this...I liked it much!

Posted: Aug 28, 2008

Author Comment:

J Paul:

Thank you for reading and commenting. Don't know where the poem was in this posting. Might be worth an effort to write one.

As far as my poetry is concerned: If you have not yet read any of my poetic postings, please read and rate some of those entitled:

1. "Excitement Inspired....",

2, "Our Grampa Ed",

3, "Love Intended: #1, #2 & #3",

4. "Limerick For Life",

5. "Self Love",

6. "POEMS",

7. "Here To Stay" &

8. "Katie Anne".

Again! Thank you!

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.



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