I actually read this several times because I didn't want to miss all the points you were making. There is much to ponder here and I'm sure I'll be thinking about it often. Thank you for sharing it. Sheryl

Posted: Jul 4, 2008

Hi Sheryl,
First of all thanks for your quick response.I agreed that you have read several times but it`s not question, question is have anybody sunk its self in this big sea.
Again thanks for your comment.

sanyal

Posted: Jul 4, 2008

Lovely thoughts.........You had a lot of thinking in wrting this i guess..........good work........

Posted: Jul 4, 2008

The difference between religion and spirituality is like the difference between the sea and water. Think of spirituality as pure water and religion the sea. The sea is mostly water. But it is contaminated by salt and silt, pollution of all kinds, marine life, rotting things, junk, boats, ships, and trash. People tend to corrupt spirituality with religion. That is because most folks do not know the truth and never appreciate it whenever they encounter it. And so, they try to make truth conform to their biases, ambitions, hopes, dreams, and ideas. But the truth is the truth and nothing can be substituted for it no matter how much we want to make fanciful notions, BS, and lies seem truthful.
Sanyal, edit and clean up this poem and it will be a winner. For instance:

"Fine element

behind this reason is that *TRUTH* is not a conclusion

but is a an experience."
Perhaps, you could consider leaving it at:
"but an experience."

Posted: Jul 4, 2008

hey thats really making me think

Posted: Jul 4, 2008

truth... great points on that:) it's something we all experience and share, something bitter too

Posted: Jul 5, 2008

cool very interesting i liked u should read my poem if u don't normally get nightmares

Posted: Jul 5, 2008

Wow!
I read your poem several times because there were so many points in there. The reason i liked it was because it was so original, yet those things are around us everyday but we just didnt think about them.

Posted: Jul 5, 2008

Very thought provoking and beautifully written, I can't wait to see what else you will produce!

Posted: Jul 5, 2008

really awesome...read it many times to seep throught the real meaning and message behind it...AND JAMES's comment is so so divine...

Posted: Jul 5, 2008

wow dats relly good!

Posted: Jul 6, 2008

Wow this is really good. It makes you think

Posted: Jul 6, 2008

Heyy Sanyal.
TRUTH= this essay rocks!!

xx,Jennete Riley

Posted: Jul 6, 2008

Alot to ponder....As I sit here thinking about what you have said in this essay. Alot of things come to mind. Say for instance...The word TRUTH came from but yet man. RELIGION...came from yet something Man created. SPIRITUALITY...yet comes from the creativity of Man. So it all had to start from someone, right? Men, and there rules of religion, Men and their rules for spirituality, and Men with their definition of the word Truth? So everything had to be founded from somewhere, someone, or something. So to me...."In the beginning was the Word (truth), and the Word(truth) was with God, and the Word(truth) was God." Found in the bible John 1:1. So the wide differences in religion and spirituality is basically created by Man.

Hmmm...makes me think. Pondering a great deal! Thank you for sharing your essay. You've gave me some things to think about. I liked it very much! Got my mind thinking.......Hope you don't mind me sharing that tidbit with you, as my mind started going, so thought I would share what I was thinking with you.

Posted: Jul 6, 2008

Wow. This made me think. Thanks!

Posted: Jul 7, 2008

Interesting idea. I think that truth is unchangable, regardless of how one sees truth. But SOME truth can be expirienced, but it can get lost in the dwelling of what is "found", thus one should seek for more. Like a jig saw puzzle. Be the seeker should be warned. If you have a painting, then it is photographed and that picture is made in to a jig saw puzzle, can that puzzle be considered a work of art? Religion was "formed" by the dwelling on a little peice of truth that was revealed. Also, I do not thing that a spiritual man MUST be religous, because TRUTH be told, I am Christian, which is a faith, I am not of any denomination, I am only a faither(one who lives in faith). But I think you hit it in the button, that the religous man may not be spiritual. Tyrone.

Posted: Jul 7, 2008

that was great!! i must say! u said things more clearly than i did! cheers!

Posted: Jul 8, 2008

That was a really explained essay and I really enjoyed it because truth is something that is needed within any friendship or relationship. Keep writing and I will do my best to keep up with reading them. Thanks for reading my poem.

Posted: Jul 8, 2008

sanyal29:

Well written and nicely presented. Interesting metaphysical discussion. Gave it an "I Like It" vote.

Thank you for becoming a fan.

Happy trails,

Ed Bradley.

Posted: Jul 8, 2008

First of all, sanyal29, thanks for welcoming me. You asked me to give feedback, and I'm very happy to give it. This essay is fantastic. It's not a light-hearted one I think, but still, this essay is well written and has a meaning and theme. After giving feedback I must ask you to please read my work - a short story named 'Defeat Turns to Victory'. You can view it from my booksie page. Or, you can go to the 'War and Military' section and search it.

Posted: Jul 8, 2008

This was very interesting and thought provoking.......an intense poem.........it made me ponder over a lot of things


You did a great job


LOL

~Kritika

Posted: Jul 8, 2008

It was really good, and it made you stop and think awhile. I had to read it a few times over just to make sure i didn't miss anything. Some really great points....hope you write more soon

Posted: Jul 9, 2008

hi! sanyal. truth is a refined state of mind - unbiased and forthright. and it appeals to not only heart but mind and soul. that is why it is so endearing and that is why we look forward to a truthful person.

u call truth an experience. it is - an experience of soul. liked it very much. lol. ;-)

Posted: Jul 9, 2008

I really like what you said about truth not being a conclusion. I think that both the word and the concept of "truth" are used far too loosely. Who can honestly say that they fully understand what "truth" is? I certainly don't make that claim :)

But I'm not quite sure if I agree with what you said at the end. I don't think a spiritual man has to be religious; all he needs is faith. For many, a religion is just something they grew up with or something they do out of habit. The necessity is faith, and religion is not always the key to that. That's just my opinion though.

An excellent, thought-provoking essay. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

Stephanee :)

Posted: Jul 9, 2008

Hello Sanyal,

Thank-you for your welcome. While I was struggling with the concepts you presented I read James Trusty's powerful comment which helped me understanding your work a little more clearly. I will ponder on what you had to say for some time.You have certainly given us all something to think about.

Nonna

Posted: Jul 10, 2008

Thank you for your welcome, first of all.
I really enjoyed this piece because I have stumbled upon these thoughts myself.
Keep it up.

Posted: Jul 10, 2008

hi sanyal29!I liked your ideas. It is a good question to think about( what truth and what pure truth really is) Truth really is something we'll never understand. I like the line where youu wrote that truth is "beyond space and time.." Good points.

Posted: Jul 10, 2008

Pondering words...very interesting...I read it a few times...Thanks for sharing, Ted

Posted: Jul 10, 2008

This is very deep, I really liked it though. The language was a bit unclear, I had to read it a few times, so maybe work on that. But the philosophy behind it is great. I agree that truth is not universal, truth is an opinion that varies individual to individual. I also really love the bit about the difference between religion and spirituality. There is a huge difference. Great work!

Posted: Jul 11, 2008

A wonderful and interesting piece that gets people thinking. It sure got me thinking... For me, truth is known by a feeling I get... I know what is true most of the time, but sometimes I'm wrong... isnt that just the way things work? =) Mandy

Posted: Jul 12, 2008

wow, I liked it. It was very good. It has me thinking. ^-^ great job

Posted: Jul 12, 2008

I agree with you. The Truth is really subjective, for everyone may know their own Truth, and this Truth may even vary for an individual very often, so the Truth is very subjective...but by all means we must keep on delving farther for it's elusiveness.
Very interesting topic, and very good.

Posted: Jul 12, 2008

Yes, I totally agree. I really liked how you just wrote your thoughts out and didn't think too hard about it! Truth is very questionable and i loved this piece! -zia

Posted: Jul 12, 2008

^_^ wow what a great response here, and a magnificent topic.
I much enjoy this type of conversing. Time/space, yes anything that we think about in this rhealm can not be pure truth the way I figure it. although it can be true as far as things are concerned in the present moment. so there you go; truth one day is not so true the next.
hmmm, so as we become more and more awake, we see higher forms of truth.
the way I look at religion and spirituality is this:
religion is separation, and spirituality is oneness.

sanyal, this is great conversation, I do wish you all the best, peace, and wellness to you ~katie

Posted: Jul 12, 2008

Yes, I agree that truth is a personal experience...that's why it makes for such touching writing;)...very intriguing subject matter sanyal,
~rain

Posted: Jul 13, 2008

Hi, sanyal! Love your poem! I also agree that truth is a personal experience that everyone has faced in their life time!

Posted: Jul 13, 2008

Hi, I agree with everyone who said it: truth is a personal experience, but it makes you think, and it got me thinking.

Posted: Jul 13, 2008

I like it. There is lots to think about in there. A very good mind opener.

Posted: Jul 13, 2008

Hi Sanyal, an excellent write. I'm not there but Truth to me is a person and His name is Christ Jesus. Thank you for sharing that lovely essay.

Posted: Jul 14, 2008

Now this is a very thought provoking essay. It has a ring of truth about it and Truth makes more sense to me now.

In the light of your essay, John Keats' ending to his poem: Ode on a Grecian Urn can be seen more clearly than before . . .

'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,---that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'

Or perhaps . . . I think . . . I'm confused now.

craaig

Posted: Jul 14, 2008

Dear,
Your Answer of PURE TRUTH is in the your Essey.
It is birth and death.
In my openion this both pure truth person not experience and hance it is very dificult to say about that. In life these two things hapens for each and every things on the earth and therefor it is pure truth. No one can change,even try to change, but fact is fact. Ya, It is possible for person to reached that level to feel this all truth, I request you pl. read one book, of Swami Vivekanand in which he gave the details of Patanjali Yoga Sutra. In which Patanjali Rushi gave the details of what you feel as you go deep in Yoga and expereance of Truth.

Posted: Jul 15, 2008

That was very interesting, it had me thinking.. Great job :D

Posted: Jul 15, 2008

HI Sanyal,

There is only one truth and there may be many accounts of it, but truth is only one.

Like the elephant story, many blind people described the elephant as a rope, or a tree trunk etc. but the 'truth' was that the elephant was an elephant.

Unfortunately, our senses that connect us to this world are but flawed. We see, feel, hear, smell and taste very little of what is out there, just like the blind men and the elephant, and we base our perceptions on this incomplete 'connection' with the outside world.

But we can, if we want percieve much more than what our senses can tell us, and that makes us 'see' more than many animals with better senses.

And it is only with this inner 'sight' that we can 'see' the truth. Some people saw this truth and started cults and religions, and in truth each man has his own set of values, collectively known as religion.

Tat sat.
DrVx

Posted: Jul 15, 2008

Wow. Very good job. You have a very good way of opening eyes. =] I liked it. =]

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

Hi Sanyal

I like your essay about TRUTH. Truth is Truth no one can change. Everybody view by their side.I like to read something new from you again & again.


Alpana

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

hi yaar thanks for sending me ur views i loved the way u expressed i felt as if u were facing it yourself
only one line i found aproblem
Actually any happening IS IN TIME and

have birth, death, becoming younger or elder, becoming

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

Religion is the seeking of an universal set of truths that do not otherwise exist in the observable world. In response to DrVx's comment, truth is in fact relative to the person since if they're always blind, they will never know what an elephant is anywaystoi the eye, and to them the concept of elephant does not exist beyond what they know. As for us, we only assume that what we see is what it is and we take that for granted. We tell what an elephant is using it's shape and colour, but a blind person may tell what an elephant is using smell and texture. Since no one can possess 100% knowledge regarding anything, no one can be SURE what you think it is is actually what it is. If someone creates a wax statue of an elephant, the not blind man looking from far away will think it's an elephant, but the blind man may be able to say that it's not an elephant using smell. The truth is lost in this case. Using the matrix metaphor again, how does one know what he sees does not actually exist, and such a theory renders any such "truths" void.

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

*LOOKING for Words*.....*none found*
Nice easay a couple of typos but I do that to so no worries. Thnx for posting something intersting.:)

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

"Fine element behind this reason is that *TRUTH* is not a conclusion but is a an experience."

This bit that you said is very interesting. All of what you said is very interesting and it has come across my mind before :) Having said that, I think there's a book that you should read that you would find very fascinating and that would touch a lot of what you have said on here. This book has taught be a lot and I'm sure you'd benefit from it as well. It's a bestseller called 'New Earth' by Eckhart Tolle. Check it out if you want. If you do decide to read it and have read it, please let me know your thoughts on it :)
Later,
France

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

Although English is clearly not your first language :) your thoughts expressed a universally appreciated philosophy on what is the truth.

You have an emotional connection to this search for truth that rings clear in the essay.

Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I look forward to more of your works!

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

gr8 work sanya i really liked it


u seem to be a gud writer
hope u can help me for i am new
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please check this

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

my problem wa snothing but the framing of that line i felt it to be incorrect gramatically
that was it well thanks for ur generosity
and can u please go thru my piece and suggest me

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

@ Controverse. Like I said, that no matter what the blind men perceive the elephant to be, the elephant is an elephant and nothing else, despite what they or all of us think. Like you said, people have different perceptions of truth, but what remains unchanged is the truth itself. We are not discussing relativity here.
This is difficult to argue and win, just like I could use up the entire internet and will not be able to describe the smell of roses to one who can not smell. In order to perceive the 'truth' you have to detach yourself from the constant inputs from the senses, also known as 'Maya' in India. Of course, we need Maya to understand a lot of things, but finally to give it up and use our inner eyes and wisdom.
But like I said, no point in describing rose scent if you do not want to go out in the garden and smell them.

DrVx

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

Hi Sonya.I firstly want to thank you for being the first to welcome me on the site.
I think this is great writting and it got me thinking about morals and values.We very often forget them.

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

Truth is subjective I think. It a subject you could talk about for hours and never quite find the answer. Nice job and good thinking.

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

srry, I had trouble w/ my cp. Well, I really liked this. It gets thinking. Great job.

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

You extremely right! Truth is not a conclusion, it's an experience.

I believe Truth isn't just a conclusion, it's also a beginning. It provides us a new start point that lead us to many other Truths. To put it in simplest form, Truth is like connect-a-dots. It will lead you to many other revelations until we finally reach the end and we step back to see the big picture. Those dots (Truths) we connected are the reason why we are here, living the life we lead, right now.

Excellent job, do you mind reading my poem called "A Winter Flame"? I'd appreciate it so much, Thanks! Take Care!

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

a thought provoking essay. i think the truth is never seen the same way by two different people. its in the percetion. looking forward to reading more.
snow

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

Another response to DrVx's comment. While the fact that it's an elephant remains unchanged between the three blind men, none of them can agree with each other what it actually is. The only thing unchanged between what they see and what it actually is is the name, which is called the elephant. However, what entity the elephant represents is differed, and will remain so. One can only imagine what another sees, and if one person called the colour grey "pink" and said elephants were "pink", it brings up a paradox of if this is "truth" or not. it is entirely impossible to argue for an universal order of truths without deviating from the observable world, which brings in question as to what "truth" actually is: is it what is commonly observable, or is it something else? I will assume that truth is observable, since anything unobservable is useless in this world as it has no impact on our lives. (By observable I mean it affects at least one of our senses). When people speak of truth, people often speak of evidence as well.

You may call the fact that the table exists a "truth" because you can see, smell, touch, or otherwise sense it. However, if everyone other person denies the existence of such a table, would it be truth? Who is lying? Your senses, or everyone else? One cannot observe a higher being who may dictate such truths, and such this high being's existence cannot be the "truth".

You talk of detachment from senses. However, this is not reality (much unlike truth, which is set in the real world, if you take truth to be in the form of the observable universe), since our personality and awareness comes entirely from our 5 senses (at least). Therefore, if you cease our brain functions which control theses sense, we will not be able to experience, and thus we will not be able to conclude.

Therefore, unless you believe "truth" to be defined as something we cannot observe, which will render the concept of truth useless, there cannot be an universal truth. However, if there is some truth out there in the unobservable universe, it is pointless because we are not able to attain that truth, since we live in an observable universe. Since religion is faith, and faith is the lack of evidence, religion cannot be truth in the observable universe. I am not denying religion, I am saying the truth it provides is not observable and is unattainable. And since truth is almost inherently related to evidence, and since as I said, faith is the lack of evidence, truth cannot exist in the observable universe.

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

Great essay !!

Posted: Jul 17, 2008

hmm...you really have thought about truth, and i really respect that. "Pure truth" is hard to come by and is not thought of in todays' society as i would like to admit, BUT i think the reason behind that is people make the truth their own and adapt it to their own lifestyle to where it fits in...so they adapt not "PURE truth" but a of portion of truth
...
and if you have the Bible then you have the PURE truth(in Religion i mean) then you CAN be both religious AND spiritual...
but many Religions today do not use the WHOLE bible and they twist the scriptures to suit their lifestyle and views, when they should be taking God's view not their own...so they tarnish the "Pure truth" and sacredness of Religion...but that's just my opinion
Love your essay! thanks, great read!!!

Posted: Jul 18, 2008

Well I read it and I was impressed by the ideas that you expressed so I can say it is good, it's something that makes u think and it makes u ask some important questions so well done!

Posted: Jul 18, 2008

@ Controverse. Like I said, I can lose every argument and will not be able to substantiate any of what I have said. Just like I can not describe the smell of roses in a million words.

Though what you are saying is all logical, and most of our ideas of what is truth is bases on observation, experimentation and proof. But the celestial truth is beyond all this and can not be understood with our 5 senses.

Though we need our 5 senses to build the background of our knowledge, or we would be a vegetable, but finally we need to give them up, as in, stop being a slave to them and rise to a higher level of consiousness and experience the real truth.

This real truth is like the smell of roses and only those who have experienced it know it, those who have not can argue no end and win every argument, but in the end they are the ignorant ones.

And it would be wrong to mistake knowledge for truth. Knowledge changes, evolves and matures. Truth remains unchanged. We normally, in legal terms, define truth as our current knowledge.

DrVx

Posted: Jul 18, 2008

Very good and thought provoking. I have been into deep discussions about the "truth".
There are several kind of truths, the mundane, that is used commonplace by the uninitiated and common folk and there is an esoteric, deep Truth that is metaphysical and all encompassing mankind and the Universe. It is sad that many people confuse the two and/or do not accept the existence of the later.

Posted: Jul 19, 2008

cool. good job:)

Posted: Jul 19, 2008

cool piece.
Nice Job
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Posted: Jul 19, 2008

yes i liked very much, and just wanted to say your right about the truth belonging to the individual!

Posted: Jul 20, 2008

WOW! that really made me think. It was really great.
*tinamina
c:

Posted: Jul 21, 2008

Really beautiful thoughts, excellent points.
However, the pleasure of it was lost. The organization is wonderful, but this piece desperately needs to be cleaned up. I have no doubt about your intellect, so perhaps you're too hasty.

Posted: Jul 22, 2008

Wow... this made me think. What a great way of thinking. Awesome. I gave an 'I like it' vote.

Posted: Jul 22, 2008

Wow, I really agree with this essay about truth, and it does belong to this category. Congrats, I really hope you make more like this!

Posted: Jul 22, 2008

Truth is this is not an essay and it is badly written with glaring errors even a mole would see. I also disagree with your arguement. However, if you are a) under 14 or b) have special needs, then this is a very good effort. You have wasted 5 mins of my life and I want it back.

Posted: Jul 22, 2008

Essay or not, i think this is very great!!
you've let your mind out and you wrote it out for others to understand and read the meaning of it!
Great read, great read!

Posted: Jul 22, 2008

Wow! This is an exhaustive discussion on the nature of truth. You have got a very perceptive vision.

Posted: Jul 23, 2008

Hey that poem was really good. It really made me think. You have great talent. Dont you ever stop!

Posted: Jul 23, 2008

Interesting and insightful. I would have liked to see you expand more on the religious part, but otherwise I loved it.

Alek Azrael

Posted: Jul 24, 2008

wow verry good.
i like it..

Posted: Jul 25, 2008

wow verry good.
i like it..

Posted: Jul 25, 2008

Hmm. that was interesting. I think you should expand on your discussion about religion and spirituality at the end, and how they both originate in man's search for universal truth. Besides some simple editing/grammar issues, good read :)

Posted: Jul 25, 2008

It could be said that the only pure truth is in the fact that we have both purity and contamination. :) i really liked it, I would suggest perhaps cleaning it up a bit with more articles, i.e. sometimes it would be easier to follow if you used the or a. :) just trying to help. i really liked it.

Posted: Jul 25, 2008

i loved how you said that truth is an expierence, it was really good.


please check out some of my new writing too.

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Posted: Jul 26, 2008

this is really good =D thought-provoking

Posted: Jul 26, 2008

Wow, that's really interesting. Great job!

Posted: Jul 26, 2008

very very interesting. you raised good points about "truth" you made me stop and think about what i do in life:)

Posted: Jul 27, 2008

lol I was about to not leave a comment becuase I had to scroll down the other ones for so long but good work, itv really makes you think!

Posted: Jul 27, 2008

very thought provoking...made me reflect n re-assess a lotta thing!! So very apt n so appropriate!!

Posted: Jul 27, 2008

this was really deep. i especially liked the ending line. it really leaves you thinking even after you're done reading

Posted: Jul 27, 2008

Truth is a state of mind, an acceptence made consious by the person himself, what might be so true to you may not be for others, there are the widley known truths, but with interpretations a diffrent truth unvails, maybe truth is only found in religion, maybe u loose sight of truth because of religion
Only death is certian and sometimes taxes :), thats the truth!

Posted: Jul 28, 2008

u have very deep thoughts in ur mind.....u have the deep search in ur mind....its a nice....i liked the way u wrote.....

Posted: Jul 28, 2008

hey:) your essay is quite interesting and these are things that even i think about often....good work....and certainly enough food for thought for today...i've just posted one of my stories...please have a look and offer your comments...

Posted: Jul 29, 2008

Hello! This is very, very, very, and a MILLION times, VERY well written and an uplifting essay! I feel so spirtually at one with the world! I want to thank u for this essay! You made me think twice about many of things! Thanks again!

Posted: Jul 29, 2008

The truth is the answer we like the most.

Posted: Jul 30, 2008

well.. you know i used to think in that way, but truth is not relative. The bible says the truth as well as Jesus said that He was the truth, obviously His words are truthful. Our tiny mind makes us think that what is truth for me may be relative for others, and obviously there is sin implied. Living the word of God and obeying it i strongly believe that is the same as living the truth.

Posted: Jul 30, 2008

very well thought out.

Posted: Jul 30, 2008

Hi Sanyl29! Please excuse my late reply. I think your work is original and thought provoking. Well done!Look forward to your next creation.

Posted: Jul 31, 2008

Very well written and it really makes you think and wonder about "Truth". I really enjoyed it and you make a lovely point. Keep up the Good work. ^_^

Posted: Jul 31, 2008

Hello Sanyl29,

I had to read your piece a few times to gather and bring in all your points.
Just my opinion but, I think that "Truth" does belong to and is experienced by the indvidual. For we are born alone, we die alone, and I think that we must find the "Truth" alone.
I liked your thoughts very much! Nicely done!!

Riobald

Riobald

Posted: Jul 31, 2008

it's pretty god

Posted: Jul 31, 2008

well, it had great potential and the concept was extremely deep, but it coul dhave used tome proof reading. ;)

Posted: Jul 31, 2008

Wow,That Really made me think, and I really liked it!

Posted: Aug 1, 2008

I can't really add too much that hasn't already been well articulated by many others before me. I must first agree and endorse JAMES TRUSTYS comment. I've never had to compare Religion and Spirituality before but if it were to come, James' would be the comparison I'd use.

Truth I think CAN be defined, as a human invention, as a counter to the "art" of lying or misleading people with a description of something or someone that did not actually happen or take place.

Animals for instance can not lie the way humans do, but paradoxically they can not "tell" the truth either.

In a religeous sense it's like believing in Heaven but not Hell.

Posted: Aug 2, 2008

Hi, thanks for the welcome!! Very thought provoking -
it must have been a daunting task to portray such thoughts and feelings which normally baffles the brain and numbs the mind.Would love to see more of your work!

Posted: Aug 2, 2008

You take issue with points that I made and am happy to address them:

Firstly could explain how you come to your statement that my perception of TRUTH is very common? Common in what way?

How can a human invent TRUTH? I think you may confuse the word "truth" with what IS or IS NOT as in your points of events taking place, growing older, birth, death etc. Truth exists to separate what IS from what is KNOWINGLY NOT hence lying.

Perhaps I was a little naive in saying TRUTH is a human invention, though I still stand by it I would encompass TRUTH to be the invention of any kind of higher consciousness if you believe in God, The Devil, or Extraterestrial life. All those higher consciousness have the ability to deceieve that is to take away the TRUTH (the IS) and replace it with something they know not to be.

Again I stand by my comparison of humans to animals, if you can name me any animal that sets out to Consciously deceive the way Humans do I will happily cede your point. The whole concept of TRUTH is the making of a higher, evolved way of thinking to manipulate the thinking of another. As is time, time IS and has been it's just taken humans to name and built Civilisation around it with dates, hours, minutes, seconds etc.

My last point surrounds your final point of "A
spiritual man must be religion one but religion man
may not be spiritual". I believe you have this wrong as Spiritulism does not have to be religious, nor can religions be that spiritual. They can exist as two separate entities, that can and have intertwined over the centuries. Religion to me is a set of rules and regulations to live your life by, written by someone many years ago enforced by the overseeing of all powerful God(s). Spiritulism is not restriced that way.

These are my opinions and am happy to discuss any or all of them with you either on here or privately.

Posted: Aug 2, 2008

I loved your article. You have a great talent of simplifying the complexities of life. I would love to read more of your work and would like to invite you to check out my writings too. I would hope to see your feedback which will help me improve.

Posted: Aug 4, 2008

i guess its therefore safe to conclude that the truth is subjective...insightful writing...good going!!

Posted: Aug 5, 2008

hey great job!
i would like to invite everyone to come and read our story The End....or Was It???
and also i would like to ask u a question.....how do u get ur writing in the featured writing section?

Posted: Aug 7, 2008

Like lots of people said, this really makes you think about the way things work in our world. I also liked James Trusty's and Controverse's comments. My mother has said that religion should be in the government, but the government should stay out of religion.

Posted: Aug 7, 2008

We have discussed a lot on this subject, but I have a doubt, can we really put this into practice

Posted: Aug 8, 2008

I believe your essay lacks the key factors such as grammar and structure. Improve more on this. Also, the topic sentence is lacking in every paragraph. I had not identified any paragraph as well. Maybe editing into a fine structure will help?

In contrast, your essay speaks of a great truth.
I look forward to a better writing.
Take care

Posted: Aug 10, 2008

Wow. Thats all I can say. Wow.

Posted: Aug 10, 2008

sanya

I would disagree with much of what you write;
who said - i may disagree with ebverything toy say ; but will defend with my very life your every right to say it.( was it Voltaire ??)
'Truth' is the absence of falsehood - simply that ; Whether its a time / space experience or in the fox hole where they caught Saddam- it doesn't matter,
Where things get clumsy is about the description of truth ; the narrative Saddam would have about his capture would differ vastly , I would imagine from the narrative of his captors- but here we have entered the realm of subjectivity.
There are only 2 absolutes about life - birth and death.These are the quintessential truths ; I was borne - I think there fore I am -and I will die - and while I had no input into the beginning , it is equally unlikely that I will determine the end ( unless I interfere and subvert the chaos thing ) and that is a truth.
everything else is contingent on everything else- a sort of a chaos theory applies to life as mush as it did to economics and weather.
The collapse of the stock market is also a truth; unless you do not want to differentiate between hope and delusion- otherwise facts as we experience them in an exisestential way , through our senses , and in the absence of psychiatric aberation - facts are truths- otherwise you could just choose not to pay the mortgage, pay no income tax ; shoot your lover's lover ; decide you're Jesus or John Lennon - and expect no reaction or consequences from a world full of pleasant and unpleasant realities.
Keep the Faith
Don

Posted: Aug 10, 2008

I liked it

Posted: Aug 11, 2008

That's a very interesting and think-about-it essay...
I just love to read about such things...ideas.
You've done a good Job.

(I especially liked the part:
"A spiritual man must be religion one but religion man
may not be spiritual.")

Posted: Aug 11, 2008

I am not going to baffle you with B.S., nor am I going to flagrantly offer to you a high praise of sorts. Instead I am going to be real truthful, because we cannot get any better if we do not hear, see or accept the truth. Correct? OK, the poem is rough around the edges. You have a lot to say however, changing the font sizes, using bold highlight or not really turned me off. You, as a writer have a lot of promise and I would like to see what you are capable of expressing. Keep writing, as the words do not need to be glamourized to make a point, they within themselves hold the truth!

Posted: Aug 12, 2008

Good thinking... Keep it up, Sanyal!

Posted: Aug 13, 2008

Hey! Sorry it took me so long to comment! I didn't get internet until just last week.

Anywho, this essay is wonderful! I really like how it surrounds truth and the question that everyone asks themselves. Very well done!

Hope you write some more stuff soon!

Posted: Aug 14, 2008

Hi Sanyal29! Thanks for the welcome to the site.

Your truth essay reminds me of a Professor who once said to a class I was in

'Once you've been here (at university) a while you will realise that nothing is true".

The obvious question followed immediatelly:

"Is that true?"

Posted: Aug 17, 2008

This is a nice essay, you have some really strong points in there. I liked it!

~Horse Lover

Posted: Aug 17, 2008

This is a wonderfulpieceof work!

Posted: Aug 18, 2008

thought provoking.
To Really Use The Heart
is that not truth?
really liked it.

Posted: Aug 18, 2008

woops looks like i wasn't logged in:) not trying to drop unregisterd bombs:) you can delete the above if you like

I am not sure why only one other reader, though perhaps unjustly negatively, has given you any real critical feedback. It bothers me that so many readers and writers on this sight are so willing to ignore basic rules of sentence structure and grammar. I understand that everyone is putting something important out on some metaphorical limb, but the truth (not to do with above essay) is something that should never be side stepped. There are over 120 positive comments here, the majority of them lacking any constructive criticism whatsoever. This is not an attack on you the writer but simply a questioning of the readers and there integrity as pertains to giving real feedback.

I think this essay needs some work. I think your first step would be to run this piece through a word processor to help with the misspellings and poor sentence structure. Fragment sentences make for a difficult read and should be avoided in essays as well as poems. You should also have this proofread by someone you trust to give you real feedback.

As far as the content of this essay, real truth is something I think exists outside of our selves, unattainable but understandable to some extent. It is very similar to Plato’s idea of the perfect shape. He thought that the idea of the perfect shape was something that came from out side of our minds, in a realm consisting of ideas and thought. In our world that we exist within there are no perfect shapes; you will never find a perfect circle or square, ultimately there will be some flaw or defect within that shape. So where does the idea of the perfect shape come from? If not from something we have seen, then an idea that we have taken from somewhere, somewhere outside of ourselves.

St. Augustine used a logical trap of sorts to prove the existence of God, or at least something outside of ourselves, what follows is not the argument in its entirety but only the final portion (google ‘St. Augustine’s proofs for god’ ) . Augustine used a mathematical approach to the discovery of truth, specifically the numbers seven, three and ten. He said that because of the immutable and unchangeable nature of the number it could be used to understand that something existed outside of ourselves. Seven plus three equals ten, it has equaled ten before the dawn of time and will equal ten long after we have all ceased to exist, it is an idea and cannot therefore be destroyed. Because of this fact, that this mathematic solution is an immutable and unchangeable truth, it is something that must exist outside of ourselves. The human mind is inherently flawed, we are able to be lied to, able to be changed, manipulated and destroyed, so naturally these ideas must exist somewhere outside of ourselves. I do not think real truth is something attainable to us while we are in this form. I think that while exist here as corporal matter we are flawed, that any ‘truth’ we find is flawed in kind. Of course this brings into question the validity of any argument that we construct to aid in our understanding of truth, but such is the nature of the beast. Philosophy brings inevitably more questions than real answers, but perhaps that is an answer itself, to question:)
good luck with your future writing:)!

Posted: Aug 19, 2008

oh, i love it

Posted: Aug 21, 2008

this is a good essay please keep up the good work

Posted: Aug 21, 2008

The ideas are there. The essay makes you think. Let me know if you would like help with the grammar. I used to work with students who were studying English as a Second Language (ESL).

Posted: Aug 24, 2008

Wow ... this is really rather philosophical. I think it's going to keep coming back at me and make me think. Very good work. XXXX

Posted: Aug 25, 2008

This essay is much more thoughtful than any I've read recently. I had to read it multiple times to understand the finer points. Really well done, thanks for sharing it

Posted: Aug 25, 2008

pretty good critical thinking... :)
i only knew one TRUTH about your work....
it's clearly good... thanks... you opened up my mind in a new great concept.
God bless.

Posted: Aug 26, 2008

excellent i will keep it to read it again adn again

Posted: Aug 26, 2008

this is good. made me think and i dont really do that, that often lol

Posted: Aug 26, 2008

very nice! i liked the thoughts expressed :) keep on writin'

Posted: Aug 27, 2008

hmm... a very honest essay. i agree, there is no pure truth. it simply isnt one. i like this a lot, and the theme it has. u explained it thoroughly, and i like that too. good job, =]

Posted: Aug 28, 2008

Hi Sanyal,

I love reading (or watching, listening, etc) something that makes me think about it, but your theme has truly confused me. At first, it was an interesting topic and you had me thinking simply, but as the words went on, I ended up thinking in circles!

What you said in that (rather long) essay could have been said with much more ease in an intelligent paragraph.

I also very much disagree with the last sentence of the work;
"A spiritual man must be religion one but religion man
may not be spiritual."

P.S...Where does religion belong in truth? Truth is a lot of things, like morality, integrity, and personablity. Not much at all does it have anything to do with religion...

Posted: Aug 31, 2008

wow, i must say that not only the poem reflects the truth, so do the expecting comments!i say, woohoo for stimulating every neutrons in my brain. exxxcellent job!!!

Posted: Sep 1, 2008

I love it! it was very well written and very truthful.

Posted: Sep 1, 2008

I liked it. Is it supposed to be center justified?

Posted: Sep 1, 2008

Yes, I agree with James Trusty. Thanks for the interesting piece!

Posted: Sep 10, 2008

I am sorry but this begins a stream of consciousness poem, throws in a bit if stylistic font work that would have tested AE Cummings and then, as the writer lets ego and the pen take over becomes a try at an essay. In this way it does not so much fill between stools as a whole range of furniture.
Although a little brusque, I can understand where SIRWRITEALOT is coming from.
SOLAFIDAS has done you the courtesy of directing readers to classic writers on this subject. I think that you might do well to study some of them and run their views through the fiolter of your own life experience.
All the best

Posted: Sep 10, 2008

i think it is a brilliant essay and i thank you for saying welcome.

Posted: Oct 13, 2008

Ponder ... spirituality emerges from within as we become more aware of our potential and choose to explore what we truly are; religion is someone elses belief that we either choose to take within [absorb] or not.

Posted: Oct 16, 2008